Introducing FakeBullion.com

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Postby natsb88 » Sun Jan 15, 2017

Police seize fake gold, platinum following Saskatchewan traffic stop

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SASKATCHEWAN, CANADA - Police said three men were arrested after officers seized fake pieces of gold and platinum following a Saskatchewan traffic stop and may be involved in suspicious sales in three Prairie provinces.


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Postby natsb88 » Tue Jan 17, 2017

The Royal Canadian Mint is our newest affiliate partner! Click through the banner on FakeBullion.com when you place your order and it helps out the site :thumbup:

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Postby wolvesdad » Tue Jan 17, 2017

I hear the RCM is real good at (milk) SPOTTING fakes. They should make an excellent affiliate!
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Postby natsb88 » Mon Jan 23, 2017

One of these is real, the other is fake. Which is which?

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Postby bigjohn » Mon Jan 23, 2017

fake on the left
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Postby Rik Bitter » Mon Jan 23, 2017

The left one is the fake. It's hard to go by the bar itself because there's a slight difference in the zoom of the pics. However, the printing on the back of the left one is all wrong. The line spacing is too compressed so that the signature actually extends below the serial number.
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Postby DRP270 » Mon Jan 23, 2017

I'll go right as this is a game and to be contrarian. But the corners look too square, the number printing is weak and the logo printing on the front does not look correct. But hey, I am usually wrong :lol: :lol: :lol: .
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Postby MaxGravy » Mon Jan 23, 2017

Rik seems to know what he's talking about but the one on the right looks bigger, which would make sense if it wasn't made out of gold yet still weighed 5g. I'll say right is fake.

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Postby im2shakey » Mon Jan 23, 2017

im going to say the one on the right...it just looks to broad and has less detail throughout.
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Postby Silvervein » Mon Jan 23, 2017

I say they both are fake...serial numbers look off on both, packaging around gold bar on right is suspect, the font on the back of the left one appears closer to the original to me...
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Re: Introducing FakeBullion.com

Postby vanquish » Mon Jan 23, 2017

I am going with the left being fake.

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Postby bigjohn » Tue Jan 24, 2017

The stamp is all wrong on the left, the bird is off, the shape and bend of the neck is off.
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Postby Silvervein » Tue Jan 24, 2017

I'm telling ya...they both look fake to me...serial numbers are the key...check this...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perth-Mint-5-Gr ... 5000006556
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Postby SilverDoge » Tue Jan 24, 2017

I'm just glad I bought a PMV
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Postby vanquish » Tue Jan 24, 2017

Silvervein wrote:I'm telling ya...they both look fake to me...serial numbers are the key...check this...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perth-Mint-5-Gr ... 5000006556


Not possible. Nate tells us that one of them is real.

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Postby Silvervein » Tue Jan 24, 2017

vanquish wrote:Not possible. Nate tells us that one of them is real.


If that is the case then the one on the right is fake. Or faker. Or more fake. :shifty:
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Re: Introducing FakeBullion.com

Postby Long John » Tue Jan 24, 2017

Well, the left one has sloppy packaging in the area around the bar, but that's too obvious and I guess that happens sometimes with the real thing.

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Postby natsb88 » Tue Jan 24, 2017

One is real, just arrived from JM Bullion this week. The other is a fake from China.

The pictures were taken with the bars side-by-side. The top is one picture, the bottom is another picture.

Both assay cards still have the peel-off protective film in place on both sides.

The length and width of the assay cards are essentially identical.

In this case, the PMV with the small wand did pick out the fake. However, I have other Perth and Pamp fakes in assay cards that have enough copper in them that the PMV thinks they are real. So when testing these bars, if the PMV says it is fake, it is more than likely fake. But if the PMV says it is real, that alone isn't enough to verify it.

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Re: Introducing FakeBullion.com

Postby Silvervein » Tue Jan 24, 2017

So Nate which is it? Left or right...I will vote right.
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Postby natsb88 » Tue Jan 24, 2017

It seems a few of you would have chosen the fake bar over the real one. Indeed the fakes are actually sometimes a bit "prettier" than the real thing.

This particular fake has been floating around for nearly a year. I wonder how many have been sold to unsuspecting buyers on Craigslist and eBay and at pawn shops and even coin dealers? And how many of those have unknowingly been resold by innocent victims? And how many are stashed away in safes and will hit the market again in 1 year or 10 years or 50 years?

It's a problem, and it's only going to get worse as more fakes come into the country and accumulate.

I just got some interesting specs on "in stock" gold-plated tungsten fakes directly from a Chinese seller, as well as a screenshot of an email from somebody in the US to the counterfeiters discussing plating thicknesses. I'll be posting those shortly in the FakeBullion.com members only forum and eventually I'll write a public piece up about them.

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The full comparison is posted in the Fake Bullion Database. Available now for supporting members, available in 60 days for the general public. I will be removing the bars from the cards to do a comparison of the bars themselves next.

https://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/c ... card-gen-3


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