Online sales tax in HI yuck!

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Online sales tax in HI yuck!

Postby spideynut » Fri Oct 19, 2018

Its hard to get any deals via large bullion dealers online now. As Hawaii passed the online sales tax law. Seems to have gone in effect Oct 1st. Every sale or deal I've come across the passed few weeks are nullified by the sales tax! This is going to be tough for me. For the past 2-3 years Ive bought bullion from retailers when the buying is good. I guess ill have to stick to BS and Reddit. Anyone know of a work around?
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Postby b4/Vj()z » Fri Oct 19, 2018

Maybe buy through a trusted friend in a no-tax state?
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Postby loosechange808 » Fri Oct 19, 2018

So what else is new. Tax and spend, that's all our lawmakers over here are good for.

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Postby silverhead » Fri Oct 19, 2018

Today I was trying to buy about $200 worth of Ag in a California pawn shop with cash, and they wanted to put $16 sales tax on it. I was already having trouble paying their asking price of $200.
I said "nevermind, goodbye" and she took my cash offer and put her receipt book back under the counter. I wasn't trying to play hardball, it just wasn't worth 8% more to me. Moonbeam Brown can pack sand, we are already paying $4/ gas with a new $0.12 gallon gas tax :thumbdown:
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Postby spideynut » Fri Oct 19, 2018

b4/Vj()z wrote:Maybe buy through a trusted friend in a no-tax state?

Yes was thinking that also. You would almost have to have them hold it for awhile till the flat rate box is full if not your just paying for another round of shipping. In Hawaii we have always had to take in th rear when it come to shipping. Thats what made buying from the big wigs so great as they almost always have free shipping and if you stalk the site enough you can land some pretty good buys. Even large retailers on Ebay are charging tax..
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Re: Online sales tax in HI yuck!

Postby b4/Vj()z » Fri Oct 19, 2018

Good point!
OK, how about having your trusted friend buy it as a "present" but have it drop-shipped to you instead of to him?
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Postby The Patriot Mind » Sat Oct 20, 2018

I would say contact your senator and ask them to propose tax free legislation in congress for bullion sales nationwide

But then I remembered your senators would never vote for a tax cut :p

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Re: Online sales tax in HI yuck!

Postby everything » Mon Oct 22, 2018

It's been a long time coming, with computers and all I'm surprised its taken as long as it did, but then I wasn't keeping track of how it all came down, who was pushing back, why, when, or what. I just made sure I was always buying out of state, and leaving the messiest trail of purchases paid with by a myriad of different payment methods.

Here's a history on it.
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Postby mtforpar » Tue Oct 23, 2018

silverhead wrote:Today I was trying to buy about $200 worth of Ag in a California pawn shop with cash, and they wanted to put $16 sales tax on it. I was already having trouble paying their asking price of $200.
I said "nevermind, goodbye" and she took my cash offer and put her receipt book back under the counter.


This is a real-world terrific example of how taxes like this just cause people to alter their behavior. Theoretically, the state was to receive $16 in their calculations of what the tax would raise. Practically, they got nothing. Either you were not going to buy the item or the vendor decided to violate the law and sell it without the tax. In all instances, the result is the same as it was before the tax was enacted. Except, now the behavior is labeled as criminal. People just changed their behavior to avoid the tax. I would imagine this type of scene is going to play out over and over and over again.

I would add that also add that additional ingenuity and effort is going on to find additional methods to avoid the tax. This tax has had the unintended effect of redirecting peoples creativity to tax avoidance...a rather useless thing for society...all because of big brother taxation.
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Re: Online sales tax in HI yuck!

Postby vanquish » Tue Oct 23, 2018

FYI, Provident does not appear to be charging tax yet.

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Re: Online sales tax in HI yuck!

Postby Turtle » Wed Oct 31, 2018

Hawaii is bananas, or maybe pineapples. Its become an almost complete one party state. Thats crazy
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Re: Online sales tax in HI yuck!

Postby midnight » Sat Nov 03, 2018

silverhead wrote:Today I was trying to buy about $200 worth of Ag in a California pawn shop with cash, and they wanted to put $16 sales tax on it. I was already having trouble paying their asking price of $200.
I said "nevermind, goodbye" and she took my cash offer and put her receipt book back under the counter. I wasn't trying to play hardball, it just wasn't worth 8% more to me. Moonbeam Brown can pack sand, we are already paying $4/ gas with a new $0.12 gallon gas tax :thumbdown:


Holy crap.

Gas is currently $2.39 where I live...

I am pretty sure if you purchase over $1500 of PMs at one time you pay no sales tax in CA.

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Re: Online sales tax in HI yuck!

Postby midnight » Sat Nov 03, 2018

mtforpar wrote:
silverhead wrote:Today I was trying to buy about $200 worth of Ag in a California pawn shop with cash, and they wanted to put $16 sales tax on it. I was already having trouble paying their asking price of $200.
I said "nevermind, goodbye" and she took my cash offer and put her receipt book back under the counter.


This is a real-world terrific example of how taxes like this just cause people to alter their behavior. Theoretically, the state was to receive $16 in their calculations of what the tax would raise. Practically, they got nothing. Either you were not going to buy the item or the vendor decided to violate the law and sell it without the tax. In all instances, the result is the same as it was before the tax was enacted. Except, now the behavior is labeled as criminal. People just changed their behavior to avoid the tax. I would imagine this type of scene is going to play out over and over and over again.

I would add that also add that additional ingenuity and effort is going on to find additional methods to avoid the tax. This tax has had the unintended effect of redirecting peoples creativity to tax avoidance...a rather useless thing for society...all because of big brother taxation.


Or people just up and move to Texas. There is a reason Texas receives so many California refugees. Unfortunately, the Californians end up voting for the same crap that made California suck after they have moved to Texas. Maybe Trump should put a wall around California?


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